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		<title>By: Msofnofaith</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Msofnofaith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ed

22. Compatibilism- some ppl believe both and claim to be logically consistent

23. my take on that is good things happen to good people, good things also happen to bad people and vice versa. I am not a subscriber to creationalism. if you asked this question to the right religious person they would try to explain to you that children born with any disability or illness is evidence of the sins of the parent.

24. once again...its a story, it needs to be entertaining

25. but why would a &#039;creator&#039; flood the earth and kill all his &#039;creation&#039;? Trees included! What did the trees do? Would you have sex with someone to make a child then turn around and kill it? 

26. And the same goes for predominantly islamic, catholic and jewish socities. Of course they are also right and everyone else is wrong.

27. Language is evidence of the evolution of mankind...neurological and otherwise. nothing to do with god or the tower of babel. 

28. correct path to god??? imagine a world with none of this religious intolerance. the path is life...u are born and then u enjoy what the earth has to offer, other humans and the living things, then you die. The end.

29. You just gave me another reason why this religion thing is a farce. Cheers dude! Dang! How comes I have never ever thought of that myself ...souls have no nerve endings.

30. Uhhhmmm...because the concept of god is completely man made as far as I can see. I am still waiting to hear the thundering voice from the sky.

31. yes your puppy is stupid, i think you should put it to sleep. Its stealing your oxygen. Not all humans are logical, clear thinking human beings. If you doubt that you should visit *******. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ed</p>
<p>22. Compatibilism- some ppl believe both and claim to be logically consistent</p>
<p>23. my take on that is good things happen to good people, good things also happen to bad people and vice versa. I am not a subscriber to creationalism. if you asked this question to the right religious person they would try to explain to you that children born with any disability or illness is evidence of the sins of the parent.</p>
<p>24. once again&#8230;its a story, it needs to be entertaining</p>
<p>25. but why would a &#8216;creator&#8217; flood the earth and kill all his &#8216;creation&#8217;? Trees included! What did the trees do? Would you have sex with someone to make a child then turn around and kill it? </p>
<p>26. And the same goes for predominantly islamic, catholic and jewish socities. Of course they are also right and everyone else is wrong.</p>
<p>27. Language is evidence of the evolution of mankind&#8230;neurological and otherwise. nothing to do with god or the tower of babel. </p>
<p>28. correct path to god??? imagine a world with none of this religious intolerance. the path is life&#8230;u are born and then u enjoy what the earth has to offer, other humans and the living things, then you die. The end.</p>
<p>29. You just gave me another reason why this religion thing is a farce. Cheers dude! Dang! How comes I have never ever thought of that myself &#8230;souls have no nerve endings.</p>
<p>30. Uhhhmmm&#8230;because the concept of god is completely man made as far as I can see. I am still waiting to hear the thundering voice from the sky.</p>
<p>31. yes your puppy is stupid, i think you should put it to sleep. Its stealing your oxygen. Not all humans are logical, clear thinking human beings. If you doubt that you should visit *******.</p>
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		<title>By: Msofnofaith</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. the bible was not written by god. it was written by normal men over a period of time and combined in one big book.dinosaurs were around way before the bible was written, according to religious persons, jesus was around 2, 000 years ago. examination of fossils show that dinosaurs existed long before that time.

2. for every action there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction. the men who wrote the bible had to create an opposite to the good that god encompasses, to make it more believable. there is jerry…and there is tom. there has to be a bad guy.

3. see answer 2.

4. its hard to imagine but actually there may be no god, well i don’t believe in one or a few. hence the inability of this god knowing wat happens in the future to prevent it now.

5. there is no difference between old and new testament. its all speaks of the vengeful god that will kill 1st born children yet is like the shepherd that takes care of his sheep, and an eye for an eye and also loving your enemies.

6. the trinity is made up, in the same way that allah is made up.

7. u seem to have answered these question yourself.

8. the whole story is …it is a story! are u satisfied with worshipping and basing the existence of your being and life on a story?

9. you also answered this one by urself

10. the god of the bible loves to kill…simple.

11.according to the judeo-christian religions …yes…he is going to burn in hell for eternity. but if he is catholic and he prays to mary on his death bed mayb he will get sent to purgatory and his family may(if they choose) pray ferevently to mary to have mercy on his soul and upgrade him to heaven.

12. again, if u are not brainwashed then yes…you are going to hell.

13. see #12

14. you should not believe any, do some research.

15. because god forgives. kill, steal, rob and then turn to god and u should be ok and safely on the way to heaven. also accepted in a large group of people who believe the same things you believe.

16. because if you question it too much you will come to realise that it has no foundation. control is cheaper than punishment.

17. you can get a free pass to heaven if you sin millions of times but just apologise to god as soon as you can after and promise never to do it again. it does not matter how many people you hurt when you sin.

18. you answered that one yourself. drugs are bad, stay in school.

19. nope…i would think he is dellusional and should be admitted in a mental institution.

20. marriage in its ‘truest’ form is an institution invented by the church. pastors get paid to perform these ceremonies. wouldn’t you want to continue making an extra buck? No Fornication was aimed at women, men wanted to marry virgins.

21. Religious symbols are invented as a form of control and to aid the process of discrimination. The star of david is the symbol used by the Jews. How did Hitler know the jews? Also during the Reformation…how did cromwell know the catholics?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. the bible was not written by god. it was written by normal men over a period of time and combined in one big book.dinosaurs were around way before the bible was written, according to religious persons, jesus was around 2, 000 years ago. examination of fossils show that dinosaurs existed long before that time.</p>
<p>2. for every action there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction. the men who wrote the bible had to create an opposite to the good that god encompasses, to make it more believable. there is jerry…and there is tom. there has to be a bad guy.</p>
<p>3. see answer 2.</p>
<p>4. its hard to imagine but actually there may be no god, well i don’t believe in one or a few. hence the inability of this god knowing wat happens in the future to prevent it now.</p>
<p>5. there is no difference between old and new testament. its all speaks of the vengeful god that will kill 1st born children yet is like the shepherd that takes care of his sheep, and an eye for an eye and also loving your enemies.</p>
<p>6. the trinity is made up, in the same way that allah is made up.</p>
<p>7. u seem to have answered these question yourself.</p>
<p>8. the whole story is …it is a story! are u satisfied with worshipping and basing the existence of your being and life on a story?</p>
<p>9. you also answered this one by urself</p>
<p>10. the god of the bible loves to kill…simple.</p>
<p>11.according to the judeo-christian religions …yes…he is going to burn in hell for eternity. but if he is catholic and he prays to mary on his death bed mayb he will get sent to purgatory and his family may(if they choose) pray ferevently to mary to have mercy on his soul and upgrade him to heaven.</p>
<p>12. again, if u are not brainwashed then yes…you are going to hell.</p>
<p>13. see #12</p>
<p>14. you should not believe any, do some research.</p>
<p>15. because god forgives. kill, steal, rob and then turn to god and u should be ok and safely on the way to heaven. also accepted in a large group of people who believe the same things you believe.</p>
<p>16. because if you question it too much you will come to realise that it has no foundation. control is cheaper than punishment.</p>
<p>17. you can get a free pass to heaven if you sin millions of times but just apologise to god as soon as you can after and promise never to do it again. it does not matter how many people you hurt when you sin.</p>
<p>18. you answered that one yourself. drugs are bad, stay in school.</p>
<p>19. nope…i would think he is dellusional and should be admitted in a mental institution.</p>
<p>20. marriage in its ‘truest’ form is an institution invented by the church. pastors get paid to perform these ceremonies. wouldn’t you want to continue making an extra buck? No Fornication was aimed at women, men wanted to marry virgins.</p>
<p>21. Religious symbols are invented as a form of control and to aid the process of discrimination. The star of david is the symbol used by the Jews. How did Hitler know the jews? Also during the Reformation…how did cromwell know the catholics?</p>
<p>Disclaimer: The views expressed are definitely my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Shonari</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely brilliant!

Exactly what ive been wondering. Especially #28.</description>
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<p>Exactly what ive been wondering. Especially #28.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But wait there&#039;s more:

22. How can we have free-will AND an all-knowing god? This would mean that he already knows what we will be doing next! 

23. Speaking of free-will, if god creates everyone, and he creates someone with limited skills/knowledge isn&#039;t he limiting that persons &quot;free-will&quot;? No amount of willing will make me run if I&#039;m stuck in a wheelchair...

24. Since we are not the original source of evil, wouldn&#039;t an all-powerful, all-just, all-knowing god destroy the ROOT of evil instead (HIS own creation, Satan) instead of everyone else (and yet, he keep Satan around)? &quot;Hmm... that snake is going to cause trouble... maybe I should poof it out of existence...&quot;

25. I know he said he&#039;d never flood the Earth again, blah blah blah, but isn&#039;t that like a parent allowing a baby to play on a rooftop? Someone call DCFS!

26. Your religion is largely based on your family and your location. Christians like to believe that everyone else is wrong but... how can I be wrong for being born WHERE I was born and brought up to believe what my family believes (Christian or not)? After all, god made me AND put me WHERE I&#039;m at...

27. God created languages (to confuse and divide people- not unlike religions) but what if my language has no concept of god?

28. Speaking of birth, if god created us, why did we get certain instincts pre-programmed, but we are not born with the one true religion? What is to say then that we will ever come across the &quot;correct path&quot; to him?

29. Ghosts- can they fly through walls? Does it hurt them? So how can one&#039;s soul burn in hell? Feelings are due to nerves in our bodies, right? 

30. Why not just appear to us all RIGHT NOW? End the bloodshed, unite us all, correct the wicked. People could still CHOOSE (free-will) to ignore, disbelieve, be wicked, etc. but at least they were shown proof instead of having to cherry-pick through some ancient book&#039;s stories, misinterpretations, and mistakes.

31. Should we ALL still be punished for Adam and Eve? Isn&#039;t that a bit harsh? Why dont we just send everyone to jail because a few of us are bad? If my puppy cannot pass algebra class should he be punished for it? Or should I know better than to expect the puppy to EVER know algebra? The same applies to Adam, the snake, and the apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wait there&#8217;s more:</p>
<p>22. How can we have free-will AND an all-knowing god? This would mean that he already knows what we will be doing next! </p>
<p>23. Speaking of free-will, if god creates everyone, and he creates someone with limited skills/knowledge isn&#8217;t he limiting that persons &#8220;free-will&#8221;? No amount of willing will make me run if I&#8217;m stuck in a wheelchair&#8230;</p>
<p>24. Since we are not the original source of evil, wouldn&#8217;t an all-powerful, all-just, all-knowing god destroy the ROOT of evil instead (HIS own creation, Satan) instead of everyone else (and yet, he keep Satan around)? &#8220;Hmm&#8230; that snake is going to cause trouble&#8230; maybe I should poof it out of existence&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>25. I know he said he&#8217;d never flood the Earth again, blah blah blah, but isn&#8217;t that like a parent allowing a baby to play on a rooftop? Someone call DCFS!</p>
<p>26. Your religion is largely based on your family and your location. Christians like to believe that everyone else is wrong but&#8230; how can I be wrong for being born WHERE I was born and brought up to believe what my family believes (Christian or not)? After all, god made me AND put me WHERE I&#8217;m at&#8230;</p>
<p>27. God created languages (to confuse and divide people- not unlike religions) but what if my language has no concept of god?</p>
<p>28. Speaking of birth, if god created us, why did we get certain instincts pre-programmed, but we are not born with the one true religion? What is to say then that we will ever come across the &#8220;correct path&#8221; to him?</p>
<p>29. Ghosts- can they fly through walls? Does it hurt them? So how can one&#8217;s soul burn in hell? Feelings are due to nerves in our bodies, right? </p>
<p>30. Why not just appear to us all RIGHT NOW? End the bloodshed, unite us all, correct the wicked. People could still CHOOSE (free-will) to ignore, disbelieve, be wicked, etc. but at least they were shown proof instead of having to cherry-pick through some ancient book&#8217;s stories, misinterpretations, and mistakes.</p>
<p>31. Should we ALL still be punished for Adam and Eve? Isn&#8217;t that a bit harsh? Why dont we just send everyone to jail because a few of us are bad? If my puppy cannot pass algebra class should he be punished for it? Or should I know better than to expect the puppy to EVER know algebra? The same applies to Adam, the snake, and the apple.</p>
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		<title>By: TR1P</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for questions 1 &amp; 2 i have a little of how i believe. Dinosaurs in my opinion were created with the ret of the animals, but i believe that the periods of time between the &quot;days&quot; were different, i believe one &quot;day&quot; could have meant a measure of time eqialling 1 literal day to a billion years it&#039;s one of those in the eye of the beholder moments. On the evil thing God made free will he didn&#039;t want us to love him because he said so, he wants us to love him cause we want to. but Science is proven through guessing just as much as christianity is, Carbon dating of soil is supposed to be accurate, how do we know it is? people walked on the moon. right? we weren&#039;t there so we have to follow blindly whether we see it that way or not. i&#039;m just gonna let you find your own way, but i&#039;ll ask you this, if you have faith in God and die and that&#039;s it you go into a black space and you&#039;re done, what did you lose? a little bit of partying, and other things you can definately live without. but what if you&#039;re right and you go to heaven, and what if you don&#039;t have faith with the above situations, maybe an early death cause of all the partying, and just black still, but what if hell DOES exist, do you wanna spend eternity burning? personally i think that would be horrible. beside who would you rather be stuck in a room with a scientologist that believes everything happens by chance and that you&#039;ve got a 50/50 chance of walking out alive, or someone that believe he was put in that room for a reason and that you aren&#039;t guarenteed a chance to walk out, but by faith you can? pretty much do you wanna chill with people who make you sad or people who lift you up and made you feel confident?

i believe in Heaven and Hell and that faith is the thin line separating a person from going to hell, but i can&#039;t give someone faith, that&#039;s you own choice.

well you&#039;ve read my ramblings so i&#039;ll let you talk now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for questions 1 &amp; 2 i have a little of how i believe. Dinosaurs in my opinion were created with the ret of the animals, but i believe that the periods of time between the &#8220;days&#8221; were different, i believe one &#8220;day&#8221; could have meant a measure of time eqialling 1 literal day to a billion years it&#8217;s one of those in the eye of the beholder moments. On the evil thing God made free will he didn&#8217;t want us to love him because he said so, he wants us to love him cause we want to. but Science is proven through guessing just as much as christianity is, Carbon dating of soil is supposed to be accurate, how do we know it is? people walked on the moon. right? we weren&#8217;t there so we have to follow blindly whether we see it that way or not. i&#8217;m just gonna let you find your own way, but i&#8217;ll ask you this, if you have faith in God and die and that&#8217;s it you go into a black space and you&#8217;re done, what did you lose? a little bit of partying, and other things you can definately live without. but what if you&#8217;re right and you go to heaven, and what if you don&#8217;t have faith with the above situations, maybe an early death cause of all the partying, and just black still, but what if hell DOES exist, do you wanna spend eternity burning? personally i think that would be horrible. beside who would you rather be stuck in a room with a scientologist that believes everything happens by chance and that you&#8217;ve got a 50/50 chance of walking out alive, or someone that believe he was put in that room for a reason and that you aren&#8217;t guarenteed a chance to walk out, but by faith you can? pretty much do you wanna chill with people who make you sad or people who lift you up and made you feel confident?</p>
<p>i believe in Heaven and Hell and that faith is the thin line separating a person from going to hell, but i can&#8217;t give someone faith, that&#8217;s you own choice.</p>
<p>well you&#8217;ve read my ramblings so i&#8217;ll let you talk now</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we are all very insignificant and ignorant and i dare you to say otherwise.  looking out into space we see an infinite expanse of the universe and we have no explanation as to why this is the way it is.  Simply the miracle of life should be looked at and it should be recognized that we know very little.  Sure, we can observe and experiment to some degree but ultimately we are all left we questions that most likely will never be answered in our lifetimes.

that is where faith comes in, everyone has faith in something, no matter what it is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we are all very insignificant and ignorant and i dare you to say otherwise.  looking out into space we see an infinite expanse of the universe and we have no explanation as to why this is the way it is.  Simply the miracle of life should be looked at and it should be recognized that we know very little.  Sure, we can observe and experiment to some degree but ultimately we are all left we questions that most likely will never be answered in our lifetimes.</p>
<p>that is where faith comes in, everyone has faith in something, no matter what it is</p>
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		<title>By: Wheeler</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I belive in religion like i do bigfoot or the loc ness monster
until I see some proof, I dont beleive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I belive in religion like i do bigfoot or the loc ness monster<br />
until I see some proof, I dont beleive</p>
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		<title>By: shonari</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>shonari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and to god...fuunnny, i wasnt being literal though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to god&#8230;fuunnny, i wasnt being literal though</p>
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		<title>By: shonari</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>shonari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks so far...about the questions...?

every answer so far comes back to faith but what does faith have to do with the questions i asked...i wasnt debating if God exists (thats another post). those questions cant hold faith as an answer...it wont equate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks so far&#8230;about the questions&#8230;?</p>
<p>every answer so far comes back to faith but what does faith have to do with the questions i asked&#8230;i wasnt debating if God exists (thats another post). those questions cant hold faith as an answer&#8230;it wont equate.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://shonari.net/ramblings/religious-hard-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned &quot;Get Out of Hell Free&quot; cards. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goohf.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;They exist&lt;/a&gt; (and they&#039;re cheap!) Get a packet and save yourself a lot of worry and trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned &#8220;Get Out of Hell Free&#8221; cards. <a href="http://www.goohf.com/" rel="nofollow">They exist</a> (and they&#8217;re cheap!) Get a packet and save yourself a lot of worry and trouble.</p>
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